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UNC probe reveals approximately 1,500 student-athletes took bogus classes

unc greatest ever

Posted 9:25 pm, 10/23/2014

You are a mouthy little prick aren't you

DevilNation

Posted 9:14 pm, 10/23/2014

I think everyone was hoping you shot yourself.

unc greatest ever

Posted 8:29 pm, 10/23/2014

Like I said I'm just a fan. If they do take titles which I don't think they will. But if they do it slaps fans in face. Which gives me good reason to quit watching ncaa sports. Which don't hurt them or anyone, but don't hurt me at same time. Can watch all pro sports full time, or no sports at all. Sports is for fun, not life. Can watch pro sports or something else. So don't get how you think it's going to kill me,lol it's a game is all it is,lol

Clean it up

Posted 8:02 pm, 10/23/2014

http://myfox8.com/2014/10/2...he-line-2/

Its really not looking good

unc greatest ever

Posted 7:43 pm, 10/23/2014

Plus its not cheating if they had to write one paper, or one test. They did what the class asked. So I feel real good about no titles or wins being taken away

unc greatest ever

Posted 7:14 pm, 10/23/2014

The players where in classes, wasn't like they didn't go to class at all. Just the fake/no show class. But I don't see them taking titles or wins because unc players earned them on court. But I say if they do investigate theses other programs for rumors and claims. Starting with dook and lance thomas, Jason Williams, William Avery, magette, battier .hurley, hill. Just to name a few . Quit letting dook hide behind this private school bs. Maybe enough there to take a few titles from dook. Also very funny how everyone says unc cheated to get where they are. But unc was already a top notch program with championships and Dean Smith name among good coaches. Then dook which was a decent at best program with no championship comes with a no name coach with loseing record at army comes and goes to how ff"s in 80"s out of no where hummmmmm. Funny everyone wanted him fired and team was loseing ,after 3-4 seasons. Then bang he pulls in a great recruiting class out of blue and everyone shocked. Then things turn around. But that's not fishy---( Yea right) programs do that all the time, a loseing coach having 3-4 bad season s in a row , just turns program around over night

BillMurray

Posted 4:52 pm, 10/23/2014

Sure is a bad week to be a UNC fan!

DevilNation

Posted 4:43 pm, 10/23/2014

Please dont spew reason and facts to UNC G he doesnt understand when you do.

beachgoer57

Posted 1:50 pm, 10/23/2014

Sporting Guy

Posted 1:47 pm, 10/23/2014

Incorrect, that's not all we know, matter of fact there's a lot we know.

We know that this ****te happened and we know who was involved.

It is not false claims, it happened man.

And there is more to come, It goes further than the African American program. This ****te is far from over.

unc greatest ever

Posted 1:35 pm, 10/23/2014

Comes back to ncaa hasn't said a thing about vacating any wins or titles. Shoulda ,woulda, coulda if"s ands and buts. Is all your doing. Ncaa record book says 5 ncaa titles, dook 4 ncaa titles, moo u 2 ncaa titles. Not what if ,wait, going to be, it's what is. Unc players earned those titles on court, can't pass unc on court for titles and wins in the game. Only way is to use they didn't go to class , are,easy classes,lol. If they did take titles, just proves dook had to have ncaa stripp titles from unc to be a head of unc. There players wasn't good enough to pass them own there own with there play,lol. But that's IF ncaa took titles all we know for fact now is a unc has 5 ncaa titles to dook 4 ncaa titles lol

DevilNation

Posted 12:56 pm, 10/23/2014

NCAA President Mark Emmert has kept a low profile of late, or at least as low of a profile as his position allows. It's likely for the best.

Next week marks the start of his fifth year on the job, a tenure that began with big ideas and bold talk but has descended into controversies, calls for his firing/resignation and general angst as the public and legal tide has turned against the NCAA model of amateurism.

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Kenneth Wainstein holds up a report detailing accounts of academic fraud at UNC. (Getty)

They've overwhelmed the moderate (yet notable) reforms Emmert has worked to install. Yes, most came under extreme threat, legal or otherwise, but still.

These days, many see the NCAA on the verge of collapse, a once great bully on the last days of relevance. Emmert is merely the captain of the Titanic.

It doesn't need to be this way. It probably shouldn't be this way.

There is ample and overdue room for wholesale change, but the need for a central governing body on college athletics remains. And so too does a place that upholds basic standards of reasonable behavior, because left to their own devices, college sports can reach some awful, horrible depths.

The University of North Carolina on Wednesday presented Emmert a golden opportunity to reassert a modicum of control, authority and the NCAA's moral core when it released a detailed investigation by Kenneth Wainstein that essentially concluded it's been cheating its Tar Heels off for the better part of two decades.

It is the unexpected chance for the rebirth of Mark Emmert and, perhaps, of the organization he runs.

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North Carolina's sins here go far beyond the scope of a traditional NCAA case. This isn't about fancy cars in the player's parking lot or an agent offering a budding pro some Champagne Room money or some old alum doling out a hundred dollar handshake to a potential recruit.

Those are acts in which a rich person gives a poor(er) person money, an act that in virtually any other segment of society is met with affirmation.

The NCAA bans those in the spirit of leveling playing, but it's also/mostly about controlling all revenue. It rings hollow as additional billions roll into the overall enterprise, but the player is still getting the same deal from the 1920s: tuition, room and board.

UNC cuts to the core of college athletics and the base point for the NCAA's own longstanding public relations campaign (student-athletes going pro in something other than sports).

It is, you could say, the one thing that is almost universally agreed upon.

Educate the players. Or at least try.

For too many athletes, the chance at a college education is a currency they struggle to cash. They arrive unprepared, disinterested or just incapable, like plucking a kid from elementary school ballet class, enrolling them in Juilliard and expecting them to succeed like the others.

That doesn't mean a school that's made the devil's deal of admitting them should give up on them, not attempt to educate on some levels, not try to push them to be better.

Carolina shouldn't brazenly, blatantly and systematically run an assembly line of eligibility. There have been too many success stories to not make an attempt.

For 18 years and over 1,000 student-athletes, including huge swaths of football and basketball players, UNC ran classes that were designed to require little to no academic work. It included academic advisers essentially telling the instructor the grade necessary to maintain eligibility. This was true even in cases when everyone suspected/knew the student in question submitted false or recycled papers for the minimal work required.

So they knew kids were cheating � in a fake class, no less � and they just calculated the needed grade to keep playing and then gave it to them.

Lux libertas, indeed.

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The extent of this thing is so preposterous that it rocked even within the glazed-over eyes of a post-Nevin Shapiro world of college athletics.

After all, at one point, there was even a PowerPoint presentation about it.

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Sadly, it wasn't about academics for UNC athletes. (AP)

It occurred in November 2009 and was led by Beth Bridger of the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes, and when they say "support" at UNC, boy, do they mean support.

The athletic department was facing a crisis because Deborah Crowder, the manager of the African and Afro-American Studies Department, was retiring and with it was the guarantee of essentially no-work classes.

(An aside: For all she did through the years for UNC athletics, Crowder needs to have her jersey hanging from the Smith Center rafters. Her number can be "4.0?")

The Academic Support people wanted to "ring the alarm bell" for how dire this Crowder retirement could be, so Bridger stood in front of a room full of football coaches, including head man Butch Davis, and delivered the PowerPoint.

It included a screen that read:

We put them in classes that met degree requirements in which:

They didn't go to class

They didn't take notes, have to stay awake

They didn't have to meet with professors

They didn't have to pay attention or necessarily engage with the material

It concluded:

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In the long, illustrious annals of NCAA infractions hysterics, this is comic gold. So over the top it's hard to believe.

The presentation noted that on average, players were receiving a 3.61 in the no-show classes and a 1.91 in "real" classes, so without Crowder, GPAs would plummet (and, predictably, did). The PowerPoint was later forwarded to others in the athletic department, including a senior associate AD.

These aren't the actions of a rogue employee or a tutor overstepping the line between helping and doing. This isn't one or two people. These aren't coaches and administrators conveniently not asking or wondering why an at-risk kid suddenly got straight A's, all so they could play even dumber than usual (well, daggum it, Roy).

This isn't even anyone trying to keep a secret.

This was flat-out, full-on cheating. It's not just breaking UNC and NCAA rules, but the basic tenants of college sports. This was an institutionalized way for students to maintain eligibility and win bowl games and Final Fours while not teaching them a **** thing.

And it went on for 18 years.

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There's more, of course, 136 pages of more. The big picture however is clear and comes without much of a defense.

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Emmert and the NCCA need to stand for something. (AP)

Other schools do it? Blame the dumb kids? Regular students eventually heard about the scam and took the classes, too? The TV announcers always said we did it "the right way"? Dean Smith is a cool dude? M.J. went there? We have sweet blue uniforms?

Whatever.

Emmert has been beaten to a pulp during his time in Indianapolis and most of it was self-inflicted.

Here's his chance to punch back. This isn't inserting himself into a scandal such as Penn State that was best left to courts of law. This isn't repeating the tired argument over the value of amateurism.

If Emmert, at 61, still has the old fire he started the job with, if he still has the belief that NCAA rules count for something, if he still believes in college sports and the good it can produce, it he still holds the confidence to walk into a fight and throw haymakers, then this is the weakling waiting to be made an example.

Multi-sport postseason bans? Fines? Scholarship reductions? Death penalty? It all should be on the table.

Here's the chance for the enforcement process to be strong, authoritative and actually applauded.

A school gave up on educating its students in pursuit of athletic glory.

They didn't � have to stay awake.

Because if the NCAA doesn't stand up to that, then why would it and its president stand at all anymore?

devilnation

Posted 12:50 pm, 10/23/2014

To quote Roy Williams " I dont give a **** about North Carolina" hahahha yes you proved this when your top 2 advisers was the ring leaders for the basketball scandal...... Heres how this will go, roy will play dumb and say shucks a few times, to come across as humble. The advisers will become upset they are being bus rolled by good ole Roy, and turn on him. Resulting in a blame game which will reveal the truth.


Unc won 502 Games 3 Titles...... Considering 9 players per yer were involved with this thats about 90% of the scholarships they offer. So if the NCAA deems all of them to be illegible and sanctions them based on those percentage.

Which they did in the Rose / UNC football findings for those 2 years. The most recent proof of academic fraud, cant see them going way off coarse on this.

Thats 451 wins Vacated, and possibly 2 champions and maybe 3.

Also another story side of the ESPN doesn't have anyone to crucify right now...... In steps UNC, can you imagine the ratings ESPN will get from this..... You'd think the department would have released this during the NFL scandals, as to hide it in the VEAL of BS.

Clean it up

Posted 10:03 am, 10/23/2014

I hope it happens sooner than later.

DevilNation

Posted 9:06 am, 10/23/2014

not sure about all, but alot of these wins will be vacated. guessing some wheres around 250 wins and 2 titles. I know 250 sounds like alot but that's small when you consider how many games these hacks played during a 18 year period.

george h w b

Posted 8:59 am, 10/23/2014

Every game and any titles that the college won with these players participating, needs to be vacated and given to their opponent.

beachgoer57

Posted 11:44 pm, 10/22/2014

This is for dummy.....

The smoking gun from the Wainstein report:

"...169 student-athletes had at least one semester in which the grade they received in their paper class either pushed or kept their GPA above 2.0. In other words, for at least one semester in their college career, each of those students had an actual ***ulative GPA above a 2.0 but a recalculated GPA (excluding the paper class grade(s)) below a 2.0. This number includes 123 football players, 15 men's basketball players, eight women's basketball players, and 26 Olympic sport athletes."

Every game won in which these 169 players participated needs to be vacated.

beachgoer57

Posted 11:09 pm, 10/22/2014

Yep...that's all that matters. SO if that is all that matters shut up about everything else?????

unc greatest ever

Posted 10:43 pm, 10/22/2014

Ok back to topic, unc won 5 ncaa titles in record book all that matters

unc greatest ever

Posted 10:26 pm, 10/22/2014

I don't have to pm, I'll tell you right here son

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